True Stories of January 6th 🌀 (A Twitter Spaces Event Replay)

Sama_El
Published on Jan 23, 2023
J6 defendants Brandon Straka, Dr. Simone Gold, John Strand, Derrick Evans, and deceased Matthew Perna's aunt Geri Perna join reporter Julie Kelly and documentarian Nick Searcy to tell the true stories of Americans who were raided by the FBI, jailed, and targeted by the leftwing destruction machine.

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all right Perfect all right I think we're good to go um everybody's up here so uh tonight ladies and gentlemen we
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are the space is called true stories of January 6th and I wanted to kind of run through how I would like to run the
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space tonight because I've attended a lot of spaces uh where I've been a speaker I've listened um to spaces about
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January 6th and for those of you who attend a lot of spaces listen to them or participate in them you probably know
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that typically spaces are just kind of a free forum for people speaking uh it's
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very casual people listen people raise their hands they ask questions they express
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um you know ideas or thoughts and with tonight what I really want to do is give
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an opportunity for people who have experienced being in DC on January 6th being raided
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by the FBI going through the legal process being labeled an insurrectionist being labeled a terrorist and what this
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has done to people's lives and what this experience has been like I want to give an opportunity to people to just tell
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these stories so what I don't really want to do with this particular January 6th space
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is just open it up for people's you know speculations or theories I don't want to
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spend all night talking about re-ups I don't want to spend all night you know speculating about all these different things I really just want to kind of
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give people an opportunity to tell their true stories and just deal with the facts that have happened I have invited
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Julie Kelly into the space who I think is I would say is probably the most
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educated person in the entire country uh possibly the world on the topic of
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January 6 and what's taking place because I think she's reported on and studied the various cases and various
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and various elements Jerry mute yourself Jerry you're doing crazy things well I'm
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going to meet you in like one second all right um so and so Julie is basically like
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America's spokes model for January 6th and uh she she's been very very busy
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today I think she was just on the Tucker Carlson show I know she has to dip in like 30 minutes 20 minutes or so to do
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Larry Elder by the way I'd like to give a big shout out to Tucker Carlson and Larry Elder for being to in a small
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group of conservative journalists who have actually spoken consistently about January 6th since the very beginning and
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been kind of on the front lines of trying to get the truth out there and actually investigate when so many other
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conservative journalists and reporters have gone totally silent on the topic uh but Julie Kelly is one of the most
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outspoken and knowledgeable people on the topic and I know she has to jump in 20 minutes and then she said she'll come
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back after she finishes her Larry Elder interview so Julie do you want to kind of kick do you want to say hi and kind
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of get things started and then we'll move on from there yes of course so um thank you Brandon my
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friend who we've been in Communications for what a year and a half now
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um so thank you for hosting this and I'm anxious to hear everyone's stories
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um you know looking back now at the two-year anniversary which just seems
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inconceivable um but I I will say over the course of
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the past two years maybe 20 months and Brandon you could probably personally
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attest to this when I would talk to January 6 defendants and we would just
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get a flood in American greatness the people who are being arrested and prosecuted and subjected to FBI raids
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and they really didn't have anywhere else to go and I'm not bragging but I'm just
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saying we started writing about it really early like February of 2021. and
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what I would tell them and Brandon I think you can confirm this is look the truth about that day eventually will be
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told it might take a while it might take a few years I don't think it will take as
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long as Russia gate but we are going to find out exactly what happened who was responsible and the interest the
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interests the agencies who are working behind the scenes and I think now two
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years later that sort of is coming true and the regime and the media's narrative
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is crumbling rapidly not just from coverage that we've done at American
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greatness people like Darren Beatty obviously Tucker and other the handful of conservative influencers who have
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helped tell this story but under the weight of the their own evidence coming out of Trials coming out
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in the January 6th select committee report coming out in the house Republican report so I think now two
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years later Americans are starting to wonder if what they really saw on their TV screens that afternoon was really the
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truth about what was happening well God I hope you're really right about that Julie and I want to because I know
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you're short on time right at the moment um I want to share just a really kind of quick funny little thing about my
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relationship with you and that I'd like to ask you to kind of summarize for us just what your opinion is about January
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6 and what it actually was but before I do that I just want to tell everybody that I'm one of those people you were
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just talking about who reached out to you uh probably around the summer of 2021
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um I was just like every other January 6th defendant I was uh traumatized I was
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suffering with PTSD I was scared about the direction my case was headed in and I reached out to you as a you being a
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journalist because I was hoping you could help me get more information I couldn't get any information outside of
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my own case about what was going on and my relationship with you began first of all I guess I'll take an opportunity to
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say thank you thank you for being so open thank you for being so willing because I was a stranger reaching out to
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you even though you may have possibly heard of me but I was a stranger reaching out to you in a desperate
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situation and um you you know for a while there kind of took me under your wing and then we actually developed a
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friendship and now we call each other and just sort of laugh about things and you know we have a much like more
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light-hearted relationship but I do remember uh toward the end of 2021 this
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conversation that always just makes me laugh when I think about it because I think like every like every January 6th
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defendant there was a moment when I truly believed my charges would be dropped I think every January 6th
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defendant that has had that moment where they're like oh no they're they're gonna drop my charges and I called you and I
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remember I was like oh I'm pretty sure my case is going to get dropped my like my attorney you sure of it and you just
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you were like oh sweetie oh oh honey and like I just I oh I I always loved that
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moment between us where you're just like sweetheart that's not happening
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I do remember that and I remember feeling bad being the bearer of bad news but also having observed it for even the
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short amount of time I was like oh no because you were and I think you remain
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you know the most uh notable January 6th uh protester and they were going to go
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after you for other reasons aside from your minor involvement and what happened that day simply because you were you
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know doing what you were doing with walk away so um I
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so that is a sort of a a funny aside um and you know you are joined by so
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many Americans who did not think they were doing anything wrong exercising their constitutional rights doing what
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other protesters had done as recently as 2018 the fall of 2018 in the Brett
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Kavanaugh protests that were in many ways far more dangerous and lasted a lot
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longer than four hours so I so yes that's how you and I connected
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and I am just so happy to see you moving on and doing what you're doing and not being
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intimidated or cowed by what this regime this government and this court system is
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trying to do to you and I well before we move to the speakers and start hearing people's personal stories which we're going to do in just a minute can you
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just kind of share with us and I know it's not an easy question and and no one's expecting you to speak from a
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place of absolute certainty but just in all of the research that you've done and all of the reporting that you've done
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can you share with us to the best of your ability what you believe actually
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took place on January 6th even if it's multiple things in multiple places
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I think for the most part it was an inside job it was an inside operation and we see this now coming out not just
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in the testimony the transcripts that are being released in the January 6 committee which indicates by uh one of
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Nancy Pelosi's top staffers who said they started planning for the events of
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January 6 in the summer of 2020. we also see indications from doj DHS that they
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were in constant Communications days before January 6th well if the idea or
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the narrative is that all of the law enforcement and intelligence agencies were totally caught off guard that day
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that Donald Trump incited the spontaneous Insurrection because of his
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speech what were what was everyone talking about months and weeks before
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January 6th furthermore and as you know Brandon a lot of the backdrop here is
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what happened in the Whitmer week call fednapping hoax which was happening at the same time that we now know the FBI
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was running informants into the main so-called militia groups the proud boys
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and The Oath Keepers again months before January 6th this is coming out in the
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trials so what I would always tell people and what I always suspected is once the trials started to the extent
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the judges would allow it and of course they have not allowed a lot of this evidence presented in court or in
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Discovery that we would be finding out a lot of the same things that happened in the Whitmer fednapping hoax at the same time
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were happening in preparation for January 6th the biggest tell to me
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and I'll let then I'll let you take this somewhere else 845 page January 6 select committee
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report Christopher Ray's name is not mentioned one time this committee who's supposed to
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investigate January 6 apparently did not interview the FBI director nor did they
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interview Stephen dantuano head of the Washington DC FBI field office which we
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also know from testimony was the repository of all of the FBI activity
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and intelligence about January 6th they didn't interview him either
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and he was the guy in charge of the Michigan FBI field office managing the
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key informant and supervising agents in the Whitmer fed mapping hoax like you can't make this up
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so to me the Whitmer fednapping hoax knowing what this FBI is now capable of
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especially the revelations and the Twitter files all of this is piecing together and people really have to take
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a second look if they think what they saw on January 6 was legit because you're watching this unfold on TV
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taking a step back now two years later knowing what we know about the FBI the weaponization the partisanship of that
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agency what they did in Whitmore and in other events we're now supposed to believe they had nothing to do with
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January 6. it's just inconceivable Julie in the j6 report from uh you know the j6
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committee I know that you know these things because you've studied the case but does it even does that does the
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report from the committee even tell the public like who broke the first window the identity of the person who who first
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started the violence who who broke the first window who was the first person do we even know the answers to those
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questions for after two years of this committee no because the entire committee report
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eight chapters focuses solely on Donald Trump the uh legislative impetus for the
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committee as they told the American people would be to investigate the law enforcement and security failures
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leading up to that day that section was relegated to an appendix at the end of
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the report completely buried and this is even raised some questions and skepticism on the left Mother Jones last
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week issued posted an entire article saying wait we were supposed to be told what law enforcement when all these
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police agencies intelligence agencies didn't pick up before January 6th and
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now it's buried at the end of the report you didn't even interview the FBI director or the guy who was in charge of
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the most powerful FBI field office and so it's even raising questions on the
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other side because stupidly they thought in some regard this would be a legit
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invest education which it wasn't it was just another iteration of Russia gate Robert Mueller the impeachment
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proceedings it was another get Trump Witch Hunt that now unfortunately is
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ensnaring hundreds and potentially now up to 2 000 innocent Americans who were
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uh you know lured into this trap okay so let's uh let's move on to our
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speakers tonight so we can start hearing stories Julie uh please stay with us as long as you can please come back later
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if you can and as we're sharing as the speakers are sharing stories please feel free to jump in at any point if you want
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to add context to anything anyone's saying or further information and uh we thank you so much for being here
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um why don't we start with uh Dr Simone gold and what I would like to do is kind
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of go one by one and sort of establish why the various people who were the on
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our panel tonight who were arrested or in the case of Jerry Purna who's with us tonight she's here representing her
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nephew Matthew who sadly was bullied to death by the
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doj and ended up taking his own life going through this process so Jerry's here with us tonight to share his story
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um what I what I would like to do is kind of go step by step and ask everybody you know kind of first why they were there and then go back again
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and ask everybody what their FBI rate experience was like and then what happened after you were rated so why
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don't we kind of start with just why were you there why were you in DC on January 6th uh Dr gold do you want to
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start yes thank you very much and also I I do want to say thank you to Julie your work
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has been terrific fantastic um just the research that you put into your work
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um just just benefited everybody in the in the world really thank you and
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everyone's story I think is a little bit unique and different from everybody else's mine is particularly unusual I
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suppose I for those of you don't know me I was a practicing Emergency Physician for more
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than 20 years when SARS 2 came to our shores as well as all of the lockdowns
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I'm also an attorney and I started speaking out against the lockdowns and the propaganda and the censorship that
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was just sweeping our nation and the globe and I founded America's Frontline doctors and because of all of the lies
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and and the censorship and the fear that our government and media was stoking and
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the fact that that fear was causing people to kind of voluntarily give up their inalienable rights I saw a
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tremendous threat to our nation both from a physical perspective that people were actually having the health and their lives threatened and uh and the
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social threat to take down our constitutional republic for those reasons I had an absolute Duty and
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obligation to speak publicly and I was speaking publicly as much as I possibly could since the initial white coat
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Summit in July of 2020 I was heavily so censored on social media so I would
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really go to any large in-person Gathering that I could and that's what I was doing for many months prior to
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January 6th the week of January 6th I had four speaking engagements set and
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one on January 3rd January 5th January 6th and January 10th so from my
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perspective January 6 was really just another speaking engagement I was excited about it because it was
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obviously a huge opportunity you know as as you know there's I think there's over
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a million people in the capital that day I didn't know what it would be before I got there but I knew it would be huge or you know I knew for sure several hundred
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thousand so I was an invited guest speaker there's a section just to the east of the Capitol on the capital
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grounds called Section 8 about 20 people were invited to speak there was a couple of incoming Congress people who were
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scheduled I think perhaps Paul goes or Lauren bobert I don't remember exactly but I was one of those scheduled
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speakers we made our way from the ellipse to the designated place to speak
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and when we arrived we were in a kind of a Congo line the speakers and some security in front and security behind us
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and when we arrived at that location we were told on the spot that all the
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speeches were canceled which was highly um shocking and it was just shocking
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because there was there was tens of thousands of people at least on the east side which is a less crowded side but it
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was still very very crowded and what were the people supposed to do it was a little bit like going to the
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Super Bowl stadium and there was no Super Bowl the Super Bowl being canceled at the last moment with nothing to do so
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we're just kind of standing around like what are we supposed to do there's tens of thousands of people here and I'm scheduled to speak that was my mindset
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combined with I just felt a tremendous urgency to speak the truth I happen to speak on medical Freedom issues Health
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Freedom issues political speech is also protected but I happen to not be there really to talk about politics or the
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election probably the only person there not talking about the election but I was talking about something I think was in a
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way more important which is our constitutional freedoms so when I couldn't speak at the permanent place I scampered up the steps and I started to
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speak and that's how I found myself just in front of the East Side rotunda the
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east side doors the big huge twenty thousands pound steel doors on the east side top of the capital steps that's why
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I was there so that's a little bit of an unusual story and I'm happy to stop there thank you very much and yeah we'll definitely
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come back and pick back up on you know what happened perhaps inside and what
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happened to you next um we do have Nick Searcy with us tonight everybody nick uh
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created a documentary called capital punishment which is amazing and if you haven't seen it everyone should see it
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please it's incredibly informative and it's also incredibly just emotionally
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moving and and Powerful when you see I mean literally even things that blew my
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mind that I I like army tanks from FBI agents rolling into people's yards to
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pull them out of their house and their underwear on you know charges of going inside the building uh Nick has not been
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thrown in prison yet uh but nonetheless he has a great story to
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share so Nick thanks for being with us I'm working on it I'm working on it I'm I'm trying to get there but yeah thanks
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Brandon um I went to uh January 6 just kind of on
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my way back East to visit my parents uh my friend said let's just go see what it is so I really didn't have any agenda
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and going there I just sort of said yeah okay I want to go experience that and
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see what happens you know because it was I thought an event in history that I
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wanted to witness and then after my experience is there which were fairly I
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mean mundane really I mean I did not I did not even know that violence had
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gone on I wound up on the uh the the site of the Capitol between the Capitol building and the the Supreme Court
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building and I saw police move the barricades and motioned people to come
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forward and I saw people up on the steps and sort of singing songs and and waving
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flags and I saw a lot of happy people I saw people singing hymns and saying the Pledge of
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Allegiance and I it just when I got home that night and I saw what was presented on the news I didn't see any of that I
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didn't see any of the of you know what they called the violence of that day and so that is kind
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of what put me on the path of like I really need to I need to to tell what I saw about this
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I need to find out what really went on and so as we made the film we we started
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talking to people like Derek Kennison and Tony Martinez who never went in the building and and
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you know were there with first aid and sort of helped people that had been hit with grenades and hit with the glass
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bangs and had been injured by the police and to see the way that they had been treated by the FBI like they were like
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they were drug dealers or cartel leaders or serial killers that these are people that have never been arrested for
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anything before in their lives and suddenly there's armored vehicles coming down their Suburban streets SWAT team
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members with red dots on their chest handcuffing their children I mean it was
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it was shocking to me as it went on you know the more we shot the more shocked I
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became at at the treatment of American citizens by what Julie rightly called a
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real setup and so the the the the really sad thing
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about it and I'll end with this I'm going to make a sequel because a lot of the people
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that we've talked to that we talked to in my first film are now recording to prison you know are
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now being you know they're going to jail for for uh a man that we're talking to this week
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is is going to jail for he was convicted of four misdemeanors and he's serving
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eight months in federal prison this is a marine veteran that has never been arrested for anything before in his life
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eight months in prison for trespassing and parading I mean this is not ending
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these people are going to continue to push this narrative they have announced that they're going to try to address
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another thousand people in the next few months that were there on January 6th so
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they are not this is not a story that's over they are going to continue to oppress and intimidate people who went
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there on January 6th because the narrative is working for them they see it as working for them they think
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electorally it's benefiting them to demonize people who who went to
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Washington on January 6th so I I feel like it's a calling for me that
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I have to continue to tell the story and so I'm gonna I'm gonna keep doing it
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well and we thank you so much for doing that because honestly if every conservative person in a position of
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power was doing what you were doing we wouldn't be in this position I mean it's the fact that there's been little to no
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pushback from the others from the right side of the aisle that is allowing them to believe that it's a great idea to go
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arrest a thousand more people and to keep this going and to destroy more life and if I if I may say one more thing
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Brandon I think that that's what the fight in the House of Representatives has been about this week I mean so much
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it's like nobody in on the Republican side is fighting for these people and
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that is why we are also Furious and that is why we don't want another Speaker of the House who will not do anything to
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stop the oppression that's going on the movie is capital punishment that's Nick searcy's documentary Nick please
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tell people and keep telling them throughout the night while you're here how can they watch your movie
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the place to go is capital punishment.locals.com that's also my locals page
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nick30.locals.com you can also find the movie at his glory.tv okay those are the
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two places right now okay great so you don't have to like shamelessly plug yourself I'll just keep asking you that like a thousand times tonight and just
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keep saying okay um I appreciate that I'm going to move uh now to Jerry Perna um and then we'll
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go to John Strand and then we'll go to Derek um Jerry once again is here tonight uh
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speaking on behalf of her nephew Matthew Perna who's no longer with us um so Jerry do you want to kind of start
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off by just telling us your summation of why Matt was in DC on January 6th and and please feel free to share anything
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else you know how this has affected you your family uh throughout you know while you're speaking
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oh sorry this is Jerry's first space Jerry in your lower left you'll have a click the mute button to turn your mic
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on sorry about that I should have told you that there you go okay can you hear me now yes we can
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okay well like so many Americans that went to January 6
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that day my nephew Matt went because he thought it was going to be a celebration
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um of historic proportions he thought for sure that Mike Pence was
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not going to certify the election and there was going to be basically a celebration in the street
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and of course we all know that is not what happened prior to January 6 Matt
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led a very full life he was very active in his community
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he was a successful businessman he traveled the world extensively
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um he was brilliant he read constantly he graduated near the top of his class
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from Penn State University and um never had a parking ticket prior to
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January 6th so when he went we're not talking about an individual who has
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violent tendencies or is a fighter in any way he just wasn't that way he's very laid back kind
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of guy very kind and he went to the Capitol and got
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caught up in the crowd and basically you know was in a crowd of people pushing behind him in front of him and went
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through an Open Door he was in the Capitol 10 minutes recording with his cell phone
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and stayed within the Velvet ropes he never ventured anywhere else in the
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capital he didn't touch anything or break anything and he went out the back door
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and then as we all know his picture ended up on the FBI website about a week later
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and Matt turned himself in that very morning that he found out his picture
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was on there he called the local FBI and he told them what had happened and
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they basically said well if we have any more questions we'll let you know well I was in Florida at the time I
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didn't like the sound of it I said I'm flying home and I did and we retained an attorney at that
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point and um lo and behold the FBI called and said they had a few more questions and they
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called from the driveway actually and um by the time we walked in the house they
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were already arresting mat and they took him to the local FBI office in New Castle Pennsylvania
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and um they released him three hours later with stipulations he wasn't allowed to leave the state he wasn't
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allowed to travel anywhere he had to check in with a a pro parole officer
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and um at the beginning he was charged with the misdemeanors you know parading
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and and uh whatever whatever else they were they were minor misdemeanors and then a
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couple weeks later that's when they charged Matt along with 240 other
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um Patriots with the charge of obstruction of an official proceeding which was a
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felony and that's when the worry really set in and
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um his just his hearings were constantly just delayed and postponed
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um he would get himself mentally prepared for one only to have them cancel it an hour before and sometimes
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it was canceled for up to a month and they kept saying that they were still working on Discovery and I kept
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saying well that's because they haven't discovered anything on him um so the time was passing and Matt was
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going growing more and more anxious and um his mental state was declining
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rapidly he was used to be a Avid Runner that was one of the things he loved to
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do he was um a very health-conscious person
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and he basically gave that all up because he just didn't matter to him
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anymore so he was back and forth for plea deals and
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they never once budged on anything with the charges they wouldn't drop anything
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and um Matt asked his attorney I need to I need to get this over with I have to
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move on with my life and his attorney told him the fastest way for it to be over would be to plead guilty and that
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he would be looking at six to 12 months in a federal prison camp Matt had never had a parking ticket
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prior to this he had turned himself in and he was a part-time caregiver for his
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dad who was ill and um so Matt by the advice of his
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attorney turned himself or he pled guilty and his sentencing hearing was
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scheduled for March the Third and um a week not quite a week before a week
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before the Monday before Matt was um very anxious about March the third
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because March the third was in fact the anniversary of his mother's death
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and he had a very bad feeling about this sentencing taking place on that date
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and he called his attorney and his attorney basically told him well
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I've got bad news the same attorney that kept saying six to 12 months six to 12
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months don't worry I've got this all of a sudden tells him that the doj was looking to add a
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sentencing enhancement and that would increase his sentence to possibly four to six years
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Matt called me and he was just sobbing hysterically on the phone
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foreign
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and I kept trying to encourage him and telling him don't worry we're gonna get through this
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we're gonna get through this and he had a lot of faith in God he read his Bible front to back I don't know how
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many times in the course of that 13 months I think he read through the Bible several times just looking for answers
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he was so desperate and so distraught
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and that Friday February 25th my brother called me in the evening and told me I
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needed to fly home to Pennsylvania because Matt had just hung himself in
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his garage I can't even put into words my reaction
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even now and just thinking about it just just makes me cry I cry every day
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foreign like you can't even imagine I don't even
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know how we got through the holidays it was horrible I couldn't wait to rip the Christmas
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decorations down I didn't want to look at them another day and here we are now two years later the
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day that ruined my nephew's life and destroyed our family
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I'm sorry it's okay Jerry thank you so much for why don't we just for the moment leave it there and then we're
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going to come back and um I want to ask you more specifically about the process
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Matt was going through I know this is really painful and I I'm not trying to torture Jerry I just the whole purpose
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of this conversation is to illuminate for everybody listening what everybody has been through and and why Matt made
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the choice that he did and why so he's not the only one and um people need to know this so I'm not
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trying to torture you but I I want to ask more questions about what Matt went through
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um yeah okay in the meantime why don't we go to John strand uh John if you could tell us a little you know tell us
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your story but why were you in DC and tell us a little bit about you know what brought you to the Capitol
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sure Brandon thank you um Jerry thank you for sharing
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um I'm just I'm really just awestruck by
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the the intensity of that suffering um and by your just authenticity and
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sharing that with us um wow
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um the the reason that I'm so passionate about participating in this conversation
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and in this effort is is because of the enormity and severity of of what you
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just heard Jerry share um and there's a lot of people that have
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suffered really intensely because of this um the reason I personally was in
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Washington DC on January 6th um is closely tied to Dr Gold's story
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that most of you have probably heard an honest space previously but before I got to January 6th um I was actually
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starting to get involved in uh activism and rallies which was a totally new
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thing for me uh because my background is I'm a I'm an artist so I was a model and actor and musician and these various
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things in Los Angeles for many years and I basically avoided politics because it wasn't politically tender it wasn't
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something you got involved in if you wanted to have a career in Hollywood um I had my beliefs and opinions and
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I've always held true to those but I wasn't publicly political for most of my life uh but when the lockdowns started
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happening in 2020 I felt like God was calling me to be more vocal about basic
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things human rights and so forth and so I started getting involved in that conversation and and was involved in
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leading a rally um in Los Angeles you know 3000 miles away from Washington DC that became very
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well known and successful in fact Brandon came and brought walk away there we had thousands of people in La
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um taking to the streets in support of freedom in support of Human Rights it wasn't really about President Trump or
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politics per se uh it was more basic than that but that's how I kind of got involved in the scene generally and then
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got connected with the work of Dr gold and America's Frontline doctors and so because of all of those activities in
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recent years um I was in January 6th because I was working full-time for American family
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doctors and I was providing security and other services for Dr gold while she was doing her job so that's what brought me
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to Washington DC on j6 was if it were if
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it was not for my professional obligation in doing my job to take very seriously I would not have been in DC I
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would have actually been hosting a stop the steel rally in Los Angeles um or I would have been hosting my own
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rally but you know stop the steal was just the the hashtag of of the month uh
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you know during that period so uh I you know I I certainly have my opinions about politics I certainly have
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my opinions about the 2020 election which was a total travesty obviously in many ways but I wasn't in DC on January
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6 because of the 2020 election or stop the steal I was simply in in Washington
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DC on January 6 to do my job and my job was to protect someone named Dr gold who
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was a an invited guest speaker of a permitted rally so from my perspective
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um that's what I was there for and that's what I did uh and my experience was pretty similar to what you heard
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Nick Searcy mention uh which was that you know there were a ton of people everywhere and it was chaotic and
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sometimes disorganized but generally it was positive and a rally
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um with a lot of people of a pretty similar mind that wanted to share their opinion and express their support for
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certain people and or principles uh particularly the principles and um that's what brought me there and uh
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that's how I you know comported myself in terms of my actions on that day and to be clear John you you the two you
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basically didn't really leave her side that day right it's not like you two were ever apart
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I I there's barely even a moment when I wasn't physically touching her um there's an enormous amount of video
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evidence of this day uh you know on many people but particularly Dr gold and myself being close to the Capitol and
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inside of it for 45 minutes we were videotaped you know from 100 angles for
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most of the entire experience so yeah if you if you want to know what I actually did and where I actually was it's not
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hard to find out and I was barely ever not even holding my hands around you know her side making sure that she
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stayed upright and safe so that's what I was okay thank you and when we go back around in a moment because I'm going to kind of pick back up from the moment
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where people actually went inside the Capitol and I'll let her pick up the story from there uh but before we do uh
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Derek um Derek Evans is with us uh I met Derek recently actually I think in a Twitter
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space um and I just he's a great guy uh his story is amazing uh what he's been
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through is beyond horrific um including what he's currently going through on probation which we'll get to
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a little later um in the space but uh Derek please tell us why were you in DC
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awesome well first of all Brandon thank you so much for putting this on and having us all here and
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um thank you Dr gold for all your incredible work and the health Freedom thing I think it's safe to stay on with everybody who cares about uh Health
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Freedom has been following you for a while and just really appreciate all of that you know I went to DC for a couple
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reasons you know uh but most most the real reason I guess is you know I've
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just been elected to the West Virginia state house and before that though I just want to say I wasn't a politician I
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was somebody who did show up to events on a regular basis uh big events I would live stream them and um and that's kind
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of why I decided to run for office to begin with and uh and and then I won that race and and all that matters
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because my wife was nine months pregnant I just came out of the campaign I really wasn't planning to go believe it or not
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I wanted to go it's something I normally would would have went to but on this particular situation I was uh I was
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actually going to stay home uh just just because of the timing of everything but I had so many constituents in my area
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who were so concerned about uh and I agreed with them in terms of uh the
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stolen election and uh I saw the thing from Trump uh you know just saying hey people's coming to DC it's going to be
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you know a wild day and so I thought you know um I I've I ran and said I wasn't going
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to be a normal politician if that makes sense and I'd signed all these petitions like everybody else but deep down into
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it didn't wasn't going to do anything didn't mean anything it was just all for political show and we all knew that and
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uh so part of this honestly is I you know I felt uh an obligation uh to my constituents who had trusted me and
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believed in me enough to to represent them and to speak up for them so that was uh that was a big part of I guess
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what pushed me over the hunt like I said I wanted to go and but that was the reason I decided to go uh ultimately
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what was to go there and to patriotly uh a peacefully and patriotically
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uh exercise my natural god-given rights to free speech and uh and that's what I
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did that day I showed up and as Brandon has eloquently said in other spaces I wasn't there uh going there to overthrow
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the government or or to ask them to overturn the election I was going there uh for the sole purpose of asking them
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what has been done in the past which is to um send the the certification back to
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the states allow them to investigate that and then and then after that 10 days make the decision to do that or not
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see you didn't bring your flagpole to murder people is what you're saying
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absolutely I did not go there to do anything violent I didn't partake in any of those things
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um you know uh look I wish that big Tech hadn't censored all of us for not only
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the thousands and tens of thousands of hours of video footage quite frankly that's probably been deleted and deleted
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evidence uh but but also you know uh I had tweets out there leading up to January 6 where people would ask
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questions hey is it possible to overturn the election on January 6th and I'd explicitly stated and described no
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that's not how this process works we are going there to ask them to uh you know to to send this back to the state so I
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had clear evidence that I wasn't going there to quote unquote attempt to overthrow the government or overturn the
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election uh but as we all know I I got de-platformed with everybody else I
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think January 8th so I wasn't able to use that in my defense and um but but you know I wish I would have been able
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to exhibit a shown clear motive that I was going there that day to ask them to do their when my opinion constitutional
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duty of not certifying a an election that there was just a lot of questions
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and still are a lot of questions surrounding potential widespread election fraud so that's why thank you
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one thing I think is fascinating too is lately there's been so much talk in rhetoric about how Mike Pence never
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could have not certified uh the election on January 6th especially the the
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Democrats say you know he never had the power to do it it couldn't be done everyone's saying that and I think well then how on Earth could it be an
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Insurrection I mean if you're basically admitting that this was ceremonial and nothing more than how on Earth could
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anyone have overthrown Joe Biden becoming president because you're admitting there it wasn't it's just
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ceremonial anyhow uh let's please move back to Dr gold Dr gold could you to whatever
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degree you're comfortable tell us how did you end up inside the capital and why and what happened when
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you were in there if you're comfortable sharing
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hold on thank you I just had to put my microphone on yes um
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Crystal thank you for doing the spaces it's actually incredibly helpful and lovely to hear everybody's stories
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I was at the top of the capital steps as I had explained I felt tremendous urgency to speak on these Health Freedom
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issues both because really really a lot of people still didn't know the truth that there was early treatment that
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worked and I felt that and then again the constitutional republic so I was standing there at the top of the capital
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steps actually giving my speech which sounds crazy now because it was tremendously crowded environment no one
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could really hear me after about a minute or so I stopped speaking and then myself and John were standing there at
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very close to the front when somehow the doors miraculously swung open I'm going
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to say miraculously I guess I should say mysteriously swung open Julie probably is the person who knows more about this
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than anyone else as you've said but despite all of my research could not
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find any proof of how or why those doors were open so on the east side where we
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were there's these heavy twenty thousand pounds pound twenty thousand pound steel doors that cannot open without somebody
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opening them someone those got opened I mean I mean no human could have opened
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them and then just inside of that were other doors that also needed to be
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opened by uh you know like a some type of computerized or a locking mechanism that a person couldn't breach so they
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were definitely swung open from the inside I know that because I was standing there and I could see that so
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it was nobody on the outside there were other people on the inside and it's somehow it opened when those doors opened
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I and John were swept inside with the crowd there were thousands and thousands of people behind us on the steps and in
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the whole area uh Brandon you aren't even that far away you know how many people were there it was just just packed and had I not
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wanted to go in it wouldn't have been possible um but we we went in like other people did and there's tons of video one of the
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oddest things about this whole experience is that these alleged crimes that were all being accused of the
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entire event is all on videotape so you can literally see what people are saying is is this thing that the government is
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charging you with and all you see is we're swept in the building and then we are walking around just like the other
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speaker said about her nephew we were inside the ropes like like turrets and
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we're kind of looking around and once you're inside you know why were we there I mean I I
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plan to do a public speech that day I didn't plan to be walking around inside the capitol the whole day went sideways
47:00
but while inside we were peaceful and respectful for me personally as an
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attorney I find it very awe-inspiring to be in the capital to be in Statuary Hall for me it's very meaningful the history
47:12
and our founding fathers and on these great people who who brought such tremendous wisdom to the founding of our
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nation and it's it's very meaningful to me um while there we we kind of wandered
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wherever the crowd wandered I personally I know John I think I'm speaking of you as well we really did not know where we
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were I mean the last time I was in Statuary Hall I'm sure was a decade or even decades ago
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uh or in the capital I should say and that's where we were and we were there uh many minutes and eventually I thought
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it was a good idea I think it was John's idea I can't remember to give my speech so that's what I did so some of you may
47:50
have seen video of me giving my speech and the speech was really all about constitutional Freedom Health Freedom
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you're right to have sovereignty over your own body that that's an inalienable right and that's what I did there's plenty of videotape of me doing that and
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then we walked on wherever the crowd went and I gave the speech again and this time you can see me speaking you
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can hear we have a video of it and that picture was captured and it was featured in The Washington Post about
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four days after January 6th I made no effort to hide the fact that I was there
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um much like Jerry's nephew I you know I when I saw that the FBI was looking for
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me I wasn't hiding myself you know I wasn't going to say I wasn't there when I was there and what I was there to do
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was to give a speech and that's what I did and you can see rocking right behind me looking entirely bored our police
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officers walking behind me and that was the first time a police officers approached me and they asked me to leave
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as as I'm giving the speech and I kind of looked at him and then we walked on and that was it that was our experience
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in the capital we waited a long time to get out probably 20 or 25 minutes because there
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were still so many people pouring in the building you couldn't actually walk out of the building and and that was it on where we were was
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not violent I I it was like Nick seriously's experience we had seen people singing in Kumbaya and
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grandmothers and moms and you know we didn't see the violence that they showed
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on YouTube and Etc and I found out as we all know they were simply suppressing
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all of the videos and all of the pictures and all the evidence of what
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was mostly very very peaceful all the experiences of people like us were
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simply not hurt so the people that weren't there were only hearing about the pockets of of difficult places right
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and that's the part that I resent that's the part that I speak out against is the suppression of free speech I don't
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believe any of us were saying when when you see the video evidence of some violence right we weren't denying that
49:55
that happened but they were denying that all the peacefulness that we saw ever happened and therefore that set the
50:02
stage to charge really very law-abiding people with violent crimes but
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that was our experience thank you very much and you touched on something that I want to for us to kind of explore as we
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go through this space tonight which is Nuance the Nuance of January 6th because
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again because of the the any of the media kind of on the center or certainly over toward the right the majority of
50:26
media went completely silent and was not even interested in talking to people with misdemeanor charges people with
50:32
non-violent charges and therefore there's been this like runaway train of The Narrative of January 6 which has
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been absolutely carried by the most extreme left-wing Narrative of what took
50:45
place on January 6 and because of that every person who got caught up in this I
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mean I I often say like somewhat facetiously but not really that
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facetiously like if you got if you threw a gum wrapper on the ground on January 6th and you got a citation for littering
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it would be your role in the Insurrection that you were arrested for your role in the Insurrection you're
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like well my role was littering but it's there's been absolutely no nuance and because this is so politicized I mean
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it's really let's be honest it's the left versus Trump supporters nobody wants to take a moment and acknowledge
51:22
okay some people did some really bad things on January 6 some people broke Windows some people assaulted police
51:27
officers but you know what some people kind of got swept up in a moment or didn't even have a choice really about
51:34
going inside went inside took some pictures and left and I think that labeling these people terrorists and
51:39
insurrectionists and expecting them to shoulder the same amount of Burden as people who engaged in egregious acts of
51:45
violence or destruction is is really horrible and so I hope that tonight we
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can create a little bit of nuance for people to understand that yes just because you've read horrible stories
51:56
about a lot of us because we were charged doesn't it's not exactly what you think and may I add one thing on
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that Brandon it's that there is an investigator I guess his name is Jason Sullivan and he did a deep dive into all
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the media suppression this is really this is the story that has to get out we are not saying that there were not
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people that things that happened that were wrong but what we are protesting is
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the hundreds of thousands of people who are being maligned as having done something wrong because you're not
52:30
hearing and seeing all of their video evidence and all of their pictures and all of their statements because they
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were actively suppressed on social media all the people that had those pictures in their cell phones of Happy Times
52:42
cheerful times positive times non-violent times all of that was hidden from your eyes I remember that night
52:49
when we left we didn't know anything really bad had happened we went off to dinner and we didn't even think that
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much of it and the next day because I didn't have any television on people were saying this was a terrible thing an Insurrection thing and I remember being
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shocked what are you talking about my experience was like Nick searcy's I didn't know anything really bad had happened because I didn't have the TV on
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I just wanted throw that out for you for those of you who weren't there it was overwhelmingly most of the area certainly on the east side was not there
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was not the violence that you were being told it was thank you thank you Brandon if I could jump in here just for a
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second that is the point they don't want to show any Nuance they want to smear
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everybody that went there because what they're trying to do is demonize anybody that dares to stand up and say we don't
53:35
think the election was on the up and up and we think there should be an investigation into it so they don't want
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it that they they suppress that purposely because they don't want the
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the idea that they were decent Americans who believe in the Constitution who were simply there showing their support they
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they want to paint everybody that went there as some sort of a criminal
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that's absolutely uh absolutely right and I I I've said this many times before I'll say it again to me it really
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illustrates one of the key differences between our side and their side and I I really I'm sorry because I don't want to
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do like the division thing tonight but I I have to point out that if this was a
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situation where the it was the reverse and it was overwhelmingly an antifa mob
54:24
that had attacked a government building or engaged in some sort of violent Riot and you know anyone who knows me knows I
54:31
don't have any positive feelings about the antifa or uh movement I I think that anybody who joined antifa probably has a
54:37
screw loose nonetheless if if the Trump Administration was going around rounding
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up you know thousands of antifa people and some of those antifa people were
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saying yeah I was there I was there when that stuff was happening but I didn't do it like I was not involved in that I
54:54
would not want those people to be prosecuted my attitude would not be well your antifa so screw you go to go to
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jail and lock he'll lock you up and throw away the key give him the guy the gas chamber I'd be like no like there
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should be appropriate Justice For What people actually did and there should be Nuance to the situation if you're
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somebody I don't like and you were present at a violent event but you didn't engage in that I don't want to
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see you suffer and I don't want to see you prosecuted but that is not the attitude that we're receiving from the
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other side uh can I take a moment to just say uh could everyone please tweet out this
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space we have a really great audience but let's try to get two three times as many people in here to hear these stories please just take a second share
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the room encourage your audience to come inside uh and listen um Jerry do you want are you able to
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share with us any of Matt's Impressions when he went inside what his experience was like when he was inside
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and remember you have to unmute on the lower left
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okay when Matt went inside um prior to going inside he was amazed
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at the crowd and the picture that was painted afterward was not what he had
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witnessed himself he said the crowd was very um very kumbaya-ish he was the term he used
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and he was also very amazed at the diversity of the crowd you know they like to paint
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the Trump supporters as a bunch of white supremacists and racists and that simply
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wasn't the case every nationality I believe was probably represented that day
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um he did a video after getting back to his
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hotel and it's actually on our website remembering mattpurna.com
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one of his friends had the wherewithal to to
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download the video before Facebook deleted it
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and I the video just surfaced like a about six or eight months ago she posted
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it on Facebook and um I was so grateful for that because we thought the video was lost forever since
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they deleted his Facebook account and confiscated his phone and everything
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but the video clearly shows the demeanor of Matt and his friends
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um in their hotel room after this alleged Insurrection I mean you would
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think that people who were charged with these horrendous crimes would be acting like they just won the
57:38
Super Bowl and they would be hyped up and just you know high-fiving and everything that wasn't the case at all
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and you can view the video yourself on the website Matt is very calm cool and
57:49
collected but toward the end of the video there's a couple of sentences which they used
57:56
against him later and one of the sentences was Matt that Mike Pence proved himself to
58:03
be a traitor and then he says but don't worry don't worry this isn't over yet
58:11
well they took those lines out of context of course and they used it as
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evidence against him that he was promoting terrorism and the fact of the matter was the way
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the words were said in the video were very calm and cool but the way they were
58:30
presented you know it's kind of like a text message you don't know how it's sent how it's spoken when it when
58:36
somebody sends it to you is it sarcastic is it Pleasant is it mean so they used this against him in the end
58:43
but I mean you can tell his demeanor in that video he was not somebody who felt like he
58:52
just witnessed something worse than 9 11. he was just so calm and cool and
58:57
collected and what he meant by this isn't over yet is Matt believed in
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his heart that the audits would take place and the true results of the
59:08
election would be revealed and the election results would be overturned and that's what he meant by it but they used
59:15
those words against him but like I said if you view the video you will see what
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he was like just minutes after leaving the rally and it's just not what they've painted
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him to be at all and that's probably why they took the video down because they didn't want people to hear the truth and
59:34
to see his demeanor and and the way he carried himself so I just wanna I I want to jump in the
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brand and get just two seconds so so we everyone listening take note of what Jerry's saying people were getting
59:47
convicted for for words that are just ordinary words he said something like this is not over
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yet and this is essentially what becomes a conviction because you
1:00:00
are facing a DC jury that was 100 poisoned against us and citizens just this is very very
1:00:07
chilling what you just said Jerry and thank you for sharing that I think it's an incredibly important Point thank you yeah and please feel free to jump in at
1:00:14
any time you know we're kind of going in order as we're telling the stories but if you want to comment make comments on what other people said please feel free
1:00:20
to do that and I was yeah I'd like to I'd like
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you know there's uh Eastern campwell who's a man who's uh
1:00:30
profiled in my movie in capital punishment one of the things that they convicted him for was saying we need more help up
1:00:38
here now they said that that was him inciting them to Riot when what what he really
1:00:45
was just saying is like there's a lot of stuff going on up here and we need some people to help but they made that seem
1:00:52
like he's some sort of you know crazed terrorists and you know what Simone said
1:00:58
and what Jerry said is exactly right they were taking just ordinary common speech and twisting it into some some
1:01:07
horrible exhortation to violence which is nothing could be further from the
1:01:12
truth Nick that's that's actually the point I was sorry just really quickly that's the point I was going to make too is I don't know a single January 6th
1:01:19
defendant yet that I've spoken to who did not have that experience and uh to validate the point that Dr gold made and
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the Jerry made uh my entire eight minutes that I was outside the capital is on video so you know everything about
1:01:33
my case like literally my entire involvement in January 6 is on video and can be viewed by people and one of the
1:01:40
things that they used against me was that in my charging documents and kind of the summation of my case they were
1:01:46
saying you know strzok approached the capital and was saying we're going in we're going in well if you watch my
1:01:52
video what you see is that there's a man at the top top of the steps and he's shouting down they've opened the doors
1:01:57
we're going inside we're going in we're going in and I literally repeat Verbatim what he said like I it's a hundred
1:02:04
percent obvious that I am just repeating for my audience the exact words that he said they removed that context and just
1:02:10
made it sound like I was saying that and like I was like leading a charge with a torch in my hand
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but um if I can jump in if you're seen on video numerous times wearing a Maga
1:02:24
hat imploring people to go into the capital and you're standing in a big
1:02:29
group on January 5th telling people to go inside the Capitol and you're directing traffic on January 6 telling
1:02:36
people to go inside the Capitol and you're on restricted grounds for over an
1:02:41
hour that day and you just happen to be at the initial breach point and you happen
1:02:48
to whisper in the ear of Ryan samsel who's a January 6th defendant who uh
1:02:54
breached the first physical uh exterior perimeter of the capital if you do all
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of that and you text to your family later on that you helped orchestrate what happened that day not only are you
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not charged you are defended by the very same January 6 propagandists including
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house Democrats and the media as just a nice guy who is trying to ease the
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situation and you're not an insurrectionist somehow you are the only hero who's at the Capitol grounds on
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January 6th does this mean you're back with us Julie yes hey did you already do your Larry
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Elder ly I'm sorry I'm sorry well I still stand by what I said about Larry Elder
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because he's been amazing he's had me on to tell my uh Sick Story numerous times Julie great I'm glad you're back thank
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you uh John strand pick up the Baton please yeah I just wanted to
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notice the common theme here which is uh just an unbelievable amount of
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